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Question #154: Are we really shocked by A-Roid?

February
9


I’m not. Honestly. I wasn’t shocked at all.

I just remember Alex Rodriguez looking a lot like Derek Jeter when he was in Seattle, and then like Tiger Woods when he was in Texas and then like Mark Bavaro as a Yankee.

I remember that he had a big greet-and-meet (if memory serves, it was on a cruise, and Michael Kay hosted) where he AND Barry Bonds charged fans tons of money for the privilege. If memory serves, as Bonds approached Hank Aaron’s record, he said that it would only last until A-Rod gets it, and that when his buddy A-Rod breaks the new record, well, Bonds would be in the ballpark.

So we knew that A-Rod had a relationship with Bonds, and we knew he had a relationship with Jose Canseco, the high priest of truth when it comes to naming Steroids’ Who’s Who?

How, then, could we be shocked?

Actually there are only two players whose names would knock me off my chair if they were positively linked to steroids. One is Derek Jeter. I just couldn’t imagine that. The other is Frank Thomas, who rallied hard and long for testing in baseball, who welcomed any tests, and who volunteered to address Congress via video hookup during the steroid hearings.

So the question today is, were you shocked by A-Rod’s ‘Roid outing, and would you be shocked by any other names that might come up?

I’ll have some thoughts on the Hall of Fame, which is now almost sure to be tainted in the future, and on whether A-Rod, guilty as he may be, probably got a raw deal by being the only one of the 104 positive tests from 2003 to be leaked to the press.

CARP SAYS:

Sam (who’s off this week) and I discussed the whole Barry Bonds Hall of Fame issue last week, and this new A-Roid episode has made me realize something else …

I may give up my Hall of Fame vote forever. Why? Because what happens when, just for the sake of throwing out a name, Ken Griffey Jr. and/or Manny Ramirez comes up for election. They are no-doubters, absolute first-ballot Hall of Famers, right? There is no evidence whatsoever linking them to any drug use. So what if we put them in and find out later that they used? Then what?

See the problem? I will not vote for A-Roid or Bonds or Clemens or McGwire (or Palmeiro, or Sosa, or Sheffield, etc). But now I don’t know if I’m voting in a clean guy when I vote. I do not want to be even partially responsible for putting in a steroid-cheat when I so clearly in my mind won’t vote for a known cheat.

I don’t know what to do with my vote going forward.

The other point I want to make is that I think it’s totally unfair to A-Rod, fraud and cheater that he is, to have his supposedly anonymous test leaked to the press. I blame this on the union, which could have destroyed the results, and I blame it on whomever leaked it. If they find out who it was, he should be fired and perhaps prosecuted.

JOE ERWIN (filling in for Sam) SAYS:

It’s sad when the thought of anyone cheating doesn’t surprise you anymore, but I’m to that point. Perhaps a guy who would surprise me if he was juicing was Pedro Martinez, not because he necessarily had more integrity than A-Rod or anyone else, but because of how small he is. I know not everyone gets big from using PEDs, but Pedro never seemed all that toned, unlike his former teammate, Nomar Garciaparra, who never got huge but got ridiculously toned.

When the Bernard Madoff scandal came out, I wondered how someone could do something like that and still be able to look himself in the mirror and sleep at night. My conclusion is that some people are both without consciences.

I don’t think that’s the case with A-Rod or other steroid users. I don’t think they’re necessarily bad guys. Their problem isn’t a lack of conscience, it’s a sense of entitlement. Some of that comes from the coddling star athletes receive, often from a young age, and the rest, in the case of baseball players, comes from Donald Fehr and Gene Orza. The union has shown it would go to bat for anyone, even a player spitting in an umpire’s face. The players believed, until recently, that they could get away with anything because for about 30 years, the union pretty much ensured that they did.

This entry was posted on Monday, February 9th, 2009 at 10:30 am by Carp. |

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5 Responses to “Question #154: Are we really shocked by A-Roid?”

  1. gnome

    As much as I dont think I want to know the names, I would rather they all come out and we start moving forward. I don’t know that I was totally surprised, but i certainly didnt see this as being the story that would dominate spring training. As for the Hall, if this report stands as true (and i feel it will), add him to my growing list of ineligible “stars” along side Bonds, Clemens, McGuire, Palmiero, etc.

  2. Gus G.

    Yeah, I’ll admit it, I was a bit shocked. Not pick me up off the floor shocked, but shocked none the less. He always seemed like the hardest working guy in baseball and why would anyone with half a brain want to throw all that away? I’ll say this though. This weekend everyone was talking about that Rangers team: Canseco, Palmeiro, A-Rod, Juan Gonzalez, etc… wasn’t Teixeria on that team too? Should we start looking at him as a possible roid user? I hate to jump to conclusions with no proof, but I feel that as a baseball fan, and that now that A-Rod has been found guilty, anyone now (besides the aforementioned Jeter) would be a shock.

  3. Gus G.

    uh, wouldn’t be a shock that is.

  4. gnome

    The absolute saddest aspect of this whole situation is it gives more creedence to Jose Canseco…he said A-Roid was jucied, no one believed him….now more then ever we will be forced to endure more of him. Maybe he has more nuggets of truth hidden away, but can there be a more disturbing figure to play the white knight for whistle blowers??

  5. sunny615

    Honestly, I’m just worn out by this thing. It was 6 years ago, and quite frankly, everyone was doing something – whether it was steroids or greenies or 10 gallons of coffee or the super hot massage oil on the testicles (Clemens) – so I’d rather just put into place Olympic level testing and call it a day. Wipe out the 156 HR Arod hit during those 3 years and start from there. Blaming Arod for this is like blaming another dry tree in a forest fire for being a tree. It’s obvious almost all of baseball did something. Call up the 3 clean pro ballers out there and apologize to them and move on. Enough already. This dead horse has been beaten to a pulp.

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Sam BordenSam Borden grew up in Larchmont, graduated from Mamaroneck High School and has spent all 29 years of his life following the local sports scene. The drama of sports has always fascinated him, and his columns are designed to take a side or tell a story. The best days are the ones where he gets to do both.
Rick CarpinielloRick Carpiniello grew up in lower Westchester and began working in The Journal News' sports department (back when it was The Reporter Dispatch and eight other newspapers) in October of 1977 after a year of covering high school sports as a stringer. For more than 20 years he covered the New York Rangers and the National Hockey League. Carpiniello has been writing columns on everything from local sports to the big leagues since 2002.
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