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Question #138: How can the Mets make this winter a success?

January
14

Omar Minaya fixed Problem No. 1 at the Winter Meetings in Vegas.

But … other than a vastly improved bullpen, how much different are these Mets, especially now that Derek Lowe has landed in Atlanta? Before we go any further, may I say that four years and $60 million is way, way too much for a 14-11 pitcher. I know, he’s durable and he gives you lots of innings and he keeps the ball on the ground, but geez. Four years for an old guy? I think that contract will turn out to be a disaster on the back end for the Braves.

Anyway, it leaves the Mets with not many options, especially now that Oliver Perez is in position to be pursued by several teams. Any team that had eyes for the top pitchers in the market will now focus on Perez, who still has loads of upside, and is still in his 20s, and is left-handed. That’s three great checkmarks on his side. Of course, the one negative is that he drives you nuts with his inconsistency.

Other than the ‘pen, the Mets, as they stand right now, go into Bailout Ballpark with pretty much the same lineup.

So, once again, we bring up the name of the man pictured above, Mr. Manny. Do they dare? Do you want him?

What say you?

8 a.m., Sam says:
Sam Borden

No, no, no. A thousand times, no. Not for Manny. Unless …

Two years. That’s it. That’s the max I’d go for Manny. But that’s not happening. Even though this has supposedly been the winter of cheapness in baseball, it seems like some guys are still getting their money (CC, Burnett and Lowe, just to name a few) so I’ll wait to see that “watered-down” contract for Manny before I believe it. I still think he’s getting big bucks somewhere.

As for the Mets, I think they’re in trouble. Did they help their bullpen? Yup. But show me the good hitter in the lineup you can count on that will bat below the No. 5 hole. And show me the starter, other than Johan Santana, that you know is a sure thing for 10-plus wins. John Maine off surgery? Not so much. That’s why I think they miscalculated with Lowe – if nothing else, you look at his numbers and you know he’s always been consistent.

Perez hasn’t. And now they’re going to have to pay for him or, alternatively, go for cheaper and also less-reliable options. Jon Garland. Randy Wolf. These are the guys still looking for jobs, and maybe the Mets end up with one. They already got Tim Redding on a one-year deal.

I’m not sure there’s a free agent signing out there that the Mets can make right now that would make me feel like they significantly upgraded their rotation. It may have to be via a trade. And without that, I see the Mets right now as a giant question mark.

What about you, Carp? You want Manny?

CARP SAYS:

No, I wouldn’t want him. But I don’t think that means the Mets won’t get him.

I believe it’s possible that the Mets get into a position where they can’t get one of these pitchers—and now it’s down to Perez, who’s not an upgrade because he was here last year—and if Perez goes elsewhere, then they have some spending coin left.

And you know Omar Minaya likes Manny, and you know he feels the need to make a splash—wrong-headed as that may be—because of what the Yankees have done and because of the opening of Bailout Ballpark.

Let’s face it, baggage be damned, Manny makes their lineup look awfully legit.

I agree with you, he won’t come cheaply, because if the dollars or years aren’t right, then I don’t see him leaving L.A.

CARP SAYS:

Just came across something Mets fans might want to see, but to those loyal Shea lifers this might be a bit too graphic, so be prepared.

It’s a site called Stadiumpage.com and it has photos of Shea being destroyed. Actually it’s kind of surprising we haven’t seen more photos of the old blue dump being torn down in the newspapers and elsewhere. Be warned.

1: 26 p.m., Sam says:
Sam Borden

Great photos—nice find, Carp.

Truthfully, I’m not sure how much of an “upgrade” Manny is for the Mets. With all the distractions in NY, I have trouble imagining him staying focused for very long, plus you know that even Zen guru Jerry Manuel would get fed up with his antics pretty quick. With young guys like Jose Reyes still impressionable, is that the kind of veteran you want around?

If I were the Mets, I’d go for Garland. He’s like a mini-Lowe, a sinkerballer who is probably good for 10 wins minimum but – given the right circumstances and luck – could get up near 15-18. For reasonable money, he’s a decent value.

This entry was posted on Wednesday, January 14th, 2009 at 1:09 am by Carp. |

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6 Responses to “Question #138: How can the Mets make this winter a success?”

  1. Gus G.

    My guess is they bite the bullet with Sheets and pray that he doesn’t start to decompose on the mound.

  2. sunny615

    You can NOT be serious. No thank you. This is a guy, who bailed on the Sox so he could get out of his contract and look for bigger riches elsewhere. He is expecting a 3-4 year deal at $25 mil per and he’s not going to get it. Not from the Dodgers, Mets, or anyone else for that matter. Do you think he won’t be PO’ed about that for whatever 2 year deal he ends up with? Think he’ll play mad or not at all? I vote the latter. And then what do you do when he starts up his antics again in the second year of the contract because he wants to force an extension out of whichever team is crazy enough to sign him? He’s got an explosive bat – that’s for sure… but only when he wants to swing it. It’s not the bat I’m worried about, it’s his brain – or lack thereof.

    As far as the Braves and their acquisition of Lowe for 4/60… in the immortal words of Jeff Smith’s Bone (a very funny comic book) “Stupid Stupid Rat Creatures!!” I cannot for the life of me fathom why on earth they would do this. To appease their fan base? Seriously?? As a Yank fan, had we lost out on CC, AJ, and Tex, I would rather the Yanks had just sucked it up, admit defeat and move on than sign and overpay for an old player who is definitely not worth that kind of contract. Olney has it right – they should have just re-engaged the Padres and acquired Peavy. Even if he had exercised his option year for $22 mil, it still would have made the contract AAV no more that $15.4 mil per. Considering Peavy is a much better pitcher and 8 years younger, that would be a no brainer. This contract is going to blow up in the Braves’ face.

    As for the Mets… I dunno. Perez is as inconsistent as Manny is weird. There’s waiting out the market, and then there’s falling asleep at the wheel. Minaya did good at the winter meetings but fell off the cliff pretty quick after that. At this point, given what’s out there… and the lack of any depth in their farm (ie, no trade route or call ups), I guess Perez is better than nothing. Just don’t pull a Braves and overbid on yourself.

  3. Rick Carpiniello

    Sunny, I am NOT serious. I said flat-out, I wouldn’t want the guy. But I think the Mets might.

  4. sunny615

    Carp,

    I think you’re mistaking want with need. Delgado isn’t a sure thing. When he’s on – he’s good, but he’s still no Manny. And Delgado had a really bad first half last year. Who’s to say it’s not going to extend into a full year this year. The Mets definitely need a big bat in the middle of their lineup. They really have got no one that is a solid hitter. Manny’s bat would be the ideal solution – I agree, but that comes with a very heavy price… Manny’s head. His “play when I want to” attitude will not play well in NY… even with Met fans. As tempting as Manny’s bat is… even Minaya has to see how absolutely dangerous it would be for him to bring Manny to NY. Look at the media and fan frenzy over the headcase that is Arod. If Arod’s head is like a wildfire… Manny’s head has definite volcano like qualities. And in this case, the Mets would be wearing a gasoline soaked jock strap.

    Danger Will Robinson! Danger!

  5. Rick Carpiniello

    I totally agree with you Sunny, but I think the Mets are interested.
    So torch up the old strap.

  6. sunny615

    If the Mets are indeed interested, then Minaya needs to get his head out… Get Dunn or Abreu…

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Sam BordenSam Borden grew up in Larchmont, graduated from Mamaroneck High School and has spent all 29 years of his life following the local sports scene. The drama of sports has always fascinated him, and his columns are designed to take a side or tell a story. The best days are the ones where he gets to do both.
Rick CarpinielloRick Carpiniello grew up in lower Westchester and began working in The Journal News' sports department (back when it was The Reporter Dispatch and eight other newspapers) in October of 1977 after a year of covering high school sports as a stringer. For more than 20 years he covered the New York Rangers and the National Hockey League. Carpiniello has been writing columns on everything from local sports to the big leagues since 2002.
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